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The Daily Bread Mailbag returns with Stephen "Breadman" Edwards tackling topics such as WBO welterweight champion Terence Crawford, Jaron Ennis pushing for mandatory crack at Errol Spence, Caleb Plant's knockout of Anthony Dirrell, and more.
Is it time for boxing media to stop reporting on fights being “almost finalized"? The report means nothing. By the time the report comes out, we all know the two parties are negotiating. All it does it create hype around a fight that probably won’t happen. After seeing everyone what happened with Fury-Joshua on multiple occasions and Crawford-Spence, among other fights, I would bet money on the most recent “almost there” fight, Davis-Garcia, falling apart over negotiations.
Bread’s Response: Good question but not easy to answer. It’s important and ethical in media to acknowledge whoever is FIRST in breaking a story or news. So there is a rush to be first. On top of that, often times a fight can be agreed to, without a contract ever being signed. As a trainer/advisor I have agreed to plenty of fights without signing a contract and without working out all of the kinks before agreeing. Most of the experienced media knows this, so it’s going to be hard to stop them from reporting something that isn’t 100% technically done, if they get it from a reliable source.
First off congrats on your win with Caleb Plant. I was live at the fight. I could hear you giving him instructions. It was perfect. You kept telling him to be calm, not fight for the crowd. I loved how you coached him in between rounds and as the rounds were going. That had to make Dirrell’s head spin. You would even tell Dirrell what he was about to do before he did it.. You’re a very underrated trainer, I think you’ve been one of the best but with Caleb you will finally get your just due.The calls you made on the Women’s fights were perfect. I noticed you kept saying that Baumgardner was more talented and was the better athlete and you didn’t understand the odds. I know you didn’t make a pick but your observation was on point. Baumgardner should not have been the underdog. Then you talked about Sheild’s hand speed and her command of the big moments. I bet both Shields and Baumgardner, then I parlayed them. I hit big and I owe you a drink, if we ever were to officially meet.
Bread’s Response: Thank you. That’s just my coaching style. I like to talk my fighters through the round. If the opponent listens to me, that’s on them. From what I saw Mayer was a very good fighter and had the experience on her side. But Baumgardner was the more blue chip athlete and talent. If you didn’t know their backgrounds, Baumgardner stands out more in terms of the eye ball test. Talent doesn’t guarantee victory, but it is a factor.
I thought all 4 ladies fought well. Shields vs Marshall is one of the best fights you will ever see. And Baumgardner vs Mayer was more tactical but so much was at stake, I enjoyed it. The issue for Mayer is, Baumgardner is so sharp and powerful that Mayer has to be careful early. And with 2 minute rounds and the fights only being 10 rounds, the GRINDER which is Mayer in this case, is at a disadvantage. Neither lady makes the rules of Women’s boxing but the shorter distance, gives the advantage to the more twitchy dynamic athlete. Baumgardner is that. And it’s not as if Mayer can just say, I’m going to step to her, earlier. She can get knocked out if she does that. So it’s a tall glass of water to drink. Mayer did make an excellent mid fight adjustment with her power jab and straight right hand. But the early rounds do count. They don’t get thrown out. People don’t realize that Individual rounds are scored. Not a whole 20 minute fight as one entity.
Breadman,
Hope all is well. I was listing in a twitter account my greatest fighters all time in each weight class. I simply used the criteria "if I had to choose a fighter to fight for my life without knowing who their opponent is in each of those divisions based on what I see with my eyes and feel in my heart then that fighter would be the greatest in that division for me?" Not entirely based on their resume but a good resume is needed. But just my opinion of course. I would like your opinion if you would have to select a fighter to fight for your life in each division without knowing who their opponent is are there any fighters that you would select who you would not necessarily rank as the greatest of all time in that division?
Thank You,
Rich Mathews
Bread’s Response: This is a great question. And a great way to rationalize the picks. I’ve never thought about it in this aspect before. Ok I will give it a try off the top of my head.
Strawweight 105Lbs: Ricardo Lopez
Junior Flyweight 108Lbs: Chocolatito Gonzalez
Flyweight 112lbs: Mark Johnson
Junior Bantamweight 115lbs: Monster Inoue
Bantamweight 118lbs: Eder Jofre
Junior Featherweight 122lbs: Wilfredo Gomez
Featherweight 126lbs: Salvador Sanchez
Junior Lightweight 130lbs: Alexis Arguello
Lightweight 135lbs: Roberto Duran
Junior Welterweight 140lbs: Oscar De La Hoya
Welterweight 147lbs: Sugar Ray Robinson
Junior Middleweight 154lbs: Tommy Hearns
Middleweight 160lbs: Sugar Ray Robinson
Super Middleweight 168lbs: Roy Jones
Light heavyweight 175lbs: Ezzard Charles
Crusierweight 190-200lbs: Evander Holyfield
Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali
Hello,
Hope all is well with you and your gym. In your last mailbag you wrote "The boxing ring is a TRUTH MACHINE".I think you are 100 percent correct, can you expand on that a bit more please? From my own experience in gyms, (which is pretty modest), I've seen guys come in and out of boxing gyms and boxing just reveals character quicker than any conversation or interaction can or ever will. I'm sure there are other "TRUTH MACHINES" out there and God reveals that in his own ways but I'd love to hear your thoughts on what you wrote last week please. All the best Sean in Ireland
Bread’s Response: What I mean is the boxing ring tells the TRUTH about a fighter over time. Good, bad and everything in between.
For example. Ali pulled back on shots. So he got dropped pulling back on left hooks 4 times. But Ali also had a chin to make up for his flaws, so he got up, each and every time. The ring told the truth about Ali in a good and bad way.
Roberto Duran is one of the most naturally gifted fighters in history. In his prime he was practically unbeatable. But as he aged his flaw was more and more evident. He was LAZY. So he beat Ray Leonard in 1980. Then he went in a 3 year slump until he beat Davey Moore in 1983. He was hot and cold for the entire decade of the 80s. But if you caught him on a hot day, like Leonard 80, Moore 83, Hagler 83 and Barkley 89, you had hell on your hands. But on a cold day, he lost to C fighters. It’s just the TRUTH. I can go on about this. But over time the boxing ring always tells the TRUTH as to what a fighter really is.
Hi Mr Edwards!
Thank you very much for your email last time...Do you think Crawford didn't make the fight happen because of that he was going to face Spence with a year long layoff?? I have been really following Ennis since you had mentioned him years ago, I think Ennis is something we have never seen in this world, Do you think he's gonna get that Spence fight next year? I also what to ask what makes a coach great? I really appreciate what you did with Plant taking him for a walk the night before the fight, like that helps the fighter know that you have his best interest at heart, which fights are interesting now cause I doubt we gonna see Spence and Crawford like what Mayweather said it will take some time for that fight to happen now, do you think Keyshawn beats Frank Martin??
Bread’s Response: I don’t know enough about the negotiations to blame Terence Crawford, for the fight not happening. My gut feeling is both Crawford and Spence have determination and stubbornness. That makes them great fighters. Those same qualities also may make them stubborn at the negotiation table. This is just my gut instincts. I don’t think either is SCARED of the other. I believe BOTH want the fight. In order for the fight to get made, both will have to either step to the side and ALLOW their teams to work it out. With strict instructions to make it HAPPEN. Or they can meet up face to face and talk like men and figure it out. Spence vs Crawford is not DEAD.
No I don’t believe Ennis will fight Spence.
Frank Martin vs Keyshawn Davis won’t be happening anytime soon. Both are prospects with rival companies. It’s just talk at this point.
What is exactly Sam Watson’s role in boxing? Is he a promoter? Is he partners with Al Haymon? He’s seem very powerful but I can’t figure out his role. I saw you speaking with him and you guys seem pretty cool. I was wondering if you could explain exactly what he does.
Bread’s Response: Sam Watson is an AMBASSADOR for boxing. He’s a connector. He’s a resource. He’s someone who can get things done for you. He’s the guy who makes your team, friends and family feel welcomed and comfortable during fight week, which is much needed because most are on edge. He’s the guy who will give you sound advice on life and how to conduct yourself. Lots of young fighters need this wisdom but they all don’t take it. He’s the guy who leaves a fight on Sunday morning from the East Coast, then takes his mom to church on the West Coast the same morning.
Sometimes important people, will say, I know a guy, who knows a guy. Well Sam Watson is that GUY. Sam has always been solid with me. I consider him a mentor and colleague. As the young folks say, he’s an OG. He’s stamped as an OG. I understand that wisdom is offered in many different forms. I watch how Sam conducts himself. I watch how he loves his sons, Marcus and Brandon. How he keeps them under his wing. How they respect and love him. Both of his sons are very successful because they have the guidance of their father. Sam is a wise man. You just have to be smart enough to catch his message because it may come in an unconventional form.
Questions for the Daily Bread Bag: Is there a path for Spence or Crawford to surpass Sugar Ray Leonard and Floyd Mayweather on the all-time pound-for-pound list? Is there a path for Spence or Crawford to surpass Sugar Ray Leonard and Floyd Mayweather on the all-time great welterweight list?
Bread’s Response: There is a path for both but I don’t think the All Time P4P list is likely. Leonard and Mayweather were already ATG by the time they were Spence and Crawford’s age. They had a bigger impact in shorter time period. So Spence and Crawford don’t have time on their side. If the winner of Spence vs Crawford, stays at 147 and beats Ennis and Ortiz. Then moves up and beats Jermell Charlo, that would create an 1980s or 90s level legacy. That would create an aura around either, that would give the impression they would be great in any era and are on par with Leonard and Mayweather. Boxing is a business but in terms of legacy, you can’t let the business get in the way. This may sound like a riddle or enigma but it’s not. Fighters have to get paid, but there are certain misses that you can’t allow if you don’t want your legacy to suffer. The first thing Spence and Crawford have to do, is FIGHT each other.
Hello Breadman ,
Boots Ennis has implemented his mandatory status to the IBF where Spence is the champion. I hope he gets the fight . Crawford is fighting another thirty four year old fighter who lost to Mean Machine . After six years of this back and forth , it is clear these two do not want to fight . A lot of time has been wasted . They only fight once a year anyway , Spence did not fight at all in 2021 . Ennis is ranked number one by the IBF , the other three do not have him number one . Thurman is ranked number one by the WBC . He lost to PacMan in 2019 , did not fight in 2020 or 2021 and beat Barrios this year . How can he be ranked number one . None of these guys are fighting their mandatories . My question is , now that Boots is officially the IBF number one mandatory can he force a fight with Spence and how long will it take . Spence has not fought a real mandatory in four years . Boots should be the mandatory for both Crawford and Spence . They should fight him or vacate .
Thank You
J.B.
Bread’s Response: I believe Boots Ennis will fight for a vacant title in 2023. I also wish mandatories were enforced more often. Ennis will be one of the hardest mandatories for a fighter who has not won a title yet in history. I’m going to give a list of what I’m talking about.
James Toney to Michael Nunn. Ray Leonard to Wilfred Benitez. Muhammad Ali to Sonny Liston. Sonny Liston to Floyd Patterson. George Foreman To Joe Frazier. Marvin Hagler to Alan Minter. Riddick Bowe to Evander Holyfield. Kelly Pavlik to Jermaine Taylor. Jermaine Taylor to Bernard Hopkins. Errol Spence to Kell Brook. Meldrick Taylor to Buddy McGirt.
These are HARD mandatories that the champion had to face. Boots will be the hardest mandatory in years for anyone to mandated to face. Let’s see what happens.
Hey Bread, congrats on the Plant win. I had him winning a wide decision but I'm not gonna lie, I didn't see a KO lol. So I read that Boots Ennis submitted a request to the IBF to push his mandatory status in order to face Spence next. Two quick questions: Do you think Spence is plucky enough to face Spence next? It would really put him over Crawford if he won vs a killer like Boots. Secondly, How do you see a potential Spence-Boots fight playing out if it were to happen?
Bread’s Response: I don’t think Spence vs Boots will happen. I don’t believe Errol is scared of him. I just know how boxing works. Fighters have advisors. They have brain trust. I don’t believe anyone will advise Errol to face Boots next. We still don’t know how good Boots is. He could be as good as Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson and Roy Jones. Who knows? Who’s willing to find out first? I think Errol would face Vergil Ortiz in Texas before he fights Boots. Again I think Errol is a GUN. I don’t think he fears Boots. But I just don’t believe the fight will happen. If it does, I will stand corrected.
Hello Bread,
I love your take on all things boxing. I have a question, how would Shane Mosley have fared at 135 against the current crop of 135lb fighters (Tank,Loma,Garcia,Haney,Shakur,Teo) I think Shane beats them all. Your thoughts. Also Tito at 147 after he beat Camacho vs Chavez at 147 after he beat Taylor in the rematch? I think 147 was too much for JCC??
Bread’s Response: Chavez is too small for Tito, that’s why Don King never made the fight.
Right now I favor Mosley over all of the young lightweights. Mosley was an athletic swarmer at 135. With a big punch and a big chin. I don’t know enough about these guys to say they can beat Shane at 135. Loma would be a great fight for him but I think he may be too small, but that would be a BLAST to watch.
Good morning from New Zealand Mr Edwards.
My son is an amateur boxer. He's going on 15years. Does well at length but struggles against physical guys close in. My question is about weights for young fighters. He's 5 foot 8inches, about 62 kilos. Is he too young for weights, and if not what sort of weight program is best at this stage? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Always read your column!
Regards, Nigel Madden
Bread’s Response: 15 years old is about the age, that young men start to lift. But you have to be careful. There are other things a young man can do to get strong. Push ups, dips, planks, pull ups etc. There are plenty of body weight exercises he can do. Also you may have to realize that he’s not comfortable fighting on the inside yet and it may not necessarily be a strength thing, it can be a mentality thing.
Well I stand corrected. I wrote in talking about the duck job from Bud but after hearing he is making 10mil for the fight I totally think it makes financial since for him to "Rob The Bank" as Floyd would say. Spence will be here in 6 months but once Spence beats Bud that 10mil would go away. I also, didn't get to tell the ladies of boxing to stand up. What a great main and co main event. That Marshall has some pop. She should really consider coming to the states to train. I'm not knocking her current trainers but she could definitely win against Sheild's had she used her physical advantages but the Gwoat will be a tough task for anybody. She took a shot in the middle to early rounds that would have put a man down and she ate it and went back to work.
Bread’s Response: I am very intrigued that Terence Crawford is making 10 million in his next fight. I’m intrigued as to where the money is coming from. Who’s paying it? And how they will make their money back? I definitely think it’s a power move. Now let’s see if it works.
Claressa Shields was just awesome. She faced the toughest challenge of her career and she did what she does. She wins. I was also very impressed with Savannah Marshall. This was my first time watching her fight in an extended fight. She can go. I can see the Fury imprint. Her body rhythm. She was loose but assertive. I don’t think she needs to train in the US. Peter Fury is an excellent trainer. They can make adjustments together. Marshall can improve just like any other fighter but I don’t blame Fury. He did a fine job. By giving her the eyeball test, I did see that The one thing she can work on is her punch selection. There were spots, she was being aggressive but not accurate or throwing the right punches. She consistently put Shields on the ropes but Shields was out punching her off the ropes. Shields is not only super talented but she’s super tough and determined.
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