The Daily Bread Mailbag returns with Stephen "Breadman" Edwards tackling topics such as fighters watching tapes of opponents, welterweight champion Terence Crawford, Artur Beterbiev's victory over Callum Smith, Beterbiev vs. Dmitry Bivol, Andre Ward, Roy Jones Jr, and more.
What's up Bread,
Not sure if you answered this in previous mailbags or not. Why is it that fighters seem to be ok or even brag about not watching tape? How is it that every other sport you have a MASSIVE advantage by learning how to break down your own and opponent tape and spend hours dedicated to it weekly. I cannot imagine where it would be disadvantageous to watch a LOT of tape consistently whether it be your fights, your opponents, sparring whatever to get an advantage. It sounds so lazy and unprofessional to hear a fighter talk about not watching tape even the ones who adjust masterfully in the ring like a a Crawford or Mayweather still have a huge advantage adding in breaking down film of opponents or tendencies they have that others might be targeting. Someone like Mayweather who bragged about not watching tape could have let two fights slip through his record he cared about so much by not being able to adjust at first then in rematches being able to (relatively) easily handle the likes of Maidana and Castillo.
I don't see how watching more tape ahead of time wouldn't have helped speed that process up even more. I'm sure for the rematches he noticed and saw tendencies that they used that helped them be effective and neutralized it, but almost at the cost of 2 losses. Seeing different things in the ring than on tape is going to happen, seeing different personnel and defenses in the NFL will happen, that doesn't mean studying huge portions of tendencies and tactics and having plans A, B and C for them and repping them wouldn't be a huge privilege in the fight especially with 6-8 week camps. Do you require your fighters to watch a certain amount of tape?
Do you have a time such as mainly conditioning weeks early on where you have them watch more tape - then when the amping up period comes on you guys develop a plan together for tendencies and different plans of attack based on what you expect? I don't think watching tape is giving you the complete answer and that's how the other guy will fight in totality, but analyzing it to gain every possible advantage of what tendencies and what has worked, not worked against certain fighters couldn't possibly be a negative right? Every fight is different, every professional game is different, I just don't see why it seems like boxing is the only sport where it's accepted by fans or seems cool to brag about not watching tape. You'll spend 8 weeks and get in the best shape of your life and work hard physically, but it's corny to say you mentally work your brain to get ready by watching tape and being a professional? Maybe someone like Mayorga could have gotten away with that since he seemed to think it was corny for fighters to even try to get in their peak physical shape.
Thanks, Jake
Bread’s Response: I love this question. I watch video of upcoming opponents. I have no issue admitting it. I tell fighters to do the same. If they choose not to, that’s on them. If they think it’s cool to say, they don’t watch film that’s on them too. Personally I don’t believe it when a fighter says he doesn’t watch film. He may not study it religiously, but he watches something. Even if it was just his opponents his previous fight. Or having watched him in real time at a live fight. Think about this. How would the fighter especially the A side fighter who has more influence on who the opponent will be, know who to pick without watching them? I’m not saying that everyone watches film all day. But I don’t believe they watch ZERO film either. And if they don’t, then I don’t agree with it.
However, the WRONG film study can make you in look at your opponent in AWE of. But the correct kind will make you look at the opponent in FLAW of. It’s always something you can pick up on. If the fighter doesn’t. His trainer definitely should. But to each is own.
For some reason, boxing if filled with archaic perspectives. When I was a kid, they used to tell us to not drink water while we were training. Currently, science has proven that you should stay hydrated while training. Now I’m not big on sipping every two seconds but there was a time when trainers told fighters NO water at all. We still hear silly things like you have to “take” the title from the champion. Or he didn’t do enough to win the title. When in fact the champion and challenger are supposed to be judged by the same criterion in a fight.
I heard a world champion brag about how bad his diet is. How he eats what he wants. How he cuts 20lbs the week of the fight. Etc etc. And he thought it was cool to talk like he talked. I told the young fighter who was present at the time, don’t listen to that type of talk. I didn’t want his outlook on living clean to be tainted.
And yes I have definitely heard people in boxing brag about NOT watching film. But if you look Lee Wiley and Ben Davison are one of the hottest tandems in boxing and they build their program on film study. So for those that don’t study film. Thank you. That’s a competitive advantage you’re giving up in my opinion.
Hello Breadman ,
My question is about Bud Crawford . He is now thirty six years old . I guess he is suppose to fight Spence in a rematch . But outside of that , what are the biggest fights for Crawford that we might see . I see where Teo Lopez is calling him out , says he will move up to welterweight . But what about Devin Haney , he can easily do one forty seven with his rehydration . I was hoping he would get to fight Jermell Charlo , but that fight seems far off now that he lost to Canelo so badly . What are the best options for Crawford . Hope he gets the big fights .
Thank You
J.B.
Bread’s Response: The biggest fights for Crawford right now in terms of money are the Spence rematch and a Canelo fight. I don’t know if Canelo is available and quite frankly I’m not sure if Canelo would take a lose-lose fight like Crawford. If Canelo loses to a fighter who campaigned at 135-147 for his career, it will damage his place in history. I think Jermell Charlo is a big fight for Crawford but Charlo may not take Crawford immediately after losing to Canelo. So you have Tim Tszyu at 154. You have Jaron Ennis at 147. And you have Lopez and Haney at 140. Crawford has options…..I’m curious to see who he will pick.
Greetings Mr. Edwards!
Hope you are well, and thank you once again for the priceless pugilism insights and wisdom you generously share with your readers every week. A few topics I was hoping you would touch on:
1. Beterbiev-Smith: Man did Artur look like a savage. You had a very interesting point around Smith's best punch being a counter to Beterbiev's overhand right. I was looking for Smith to possibly expose some flaws in Beterbiev's game and potentially punish him for coming in recklessly. In the past I had considered Beterbiev to be somewhat crude at times, but in this last fight I noticed some of the subtle things he does that make him so effective: the tricky footwork, the slight head moves while he's in range, the changes in the pace/speed of his punches. How do you rate his performance and how do you see the Bivol showdown going down? Bivol has great technical skill and footwork, but does he have enough physicality to keep Beterbiev off him?
2. I rewatched Crawford-Spence recently, still amazed at Bud's performance that night. That second KD in round 7 (counter right uppercut) was a thing of beauty. I think you had called it out in the past, potentially a KO of the year had Spence not made it back up? Do you think Bud studied Spence and noticed his tendency to be open for that kind of shot? Was it something he caught on during the fight? Or was it pure instincts/muscle memory? Bud is the only person that can answer this question, but curious about what your guess would be.
3. I also rewatched the first Toney-McCallum fight. That fight truly had it all! Could you suggest some other fights that have this level of combined technical skill between the two fighters?
4. How do you rate Bernard Hopkins' post-40 run? (Tarver fight onwards). Apart from Big George has anyone achieved anything as impressive at that age?Thank you sir! Welcome to the new year and hope you had a good holiday break. I didn't get what I wanted for Christmas (a boxing podcast featuring the Breadman and Tony Harrison!) but maybe I'll get lucky next year.
Ziad
Bread’s Response: 1. Beterbiev looked great. On a scale from 1 -10, he was probably a 10. He looked excellent. Smith came to fight and was well prepared and still didn’t win a round. I like Beterbiev over Bivol.
2. That right uppercut Crawford hit Spence with was nasty. I don’t know if it was a practiced shot or an impromptu shot. But either way Crawford and his trainers deserve full credit. Because they knew HOW to fight Spence.
3. Toney vs McCallum is one of my favorites. Others on par let’s see. Harada vs Jofre I & II, Leonard vs Hearns I, Leonard vs Benitez, Choc vs Estrada I & II, Jermall Charlo vs Julian Williams….
4. Hopkins’s run at 175 was just as impressive as his run at 160. Tarver, Wright, Pavlik, Cloud, Pacal and Shumenov are crazy wins for an ex middleweight who was over 40. Even the Calzaghe loss wasn’t bad and was razor close. Bernard Hopkins is one of the three greatest fighters ever over 40. Pick whatever order you want. But it’s Hopkins, Foreman and Moore. Or Moore, Foreman and Hopkins. Or Foreman, Moore and Hopkins.
Bread, I just saw your mention of Jimmy Arthur in your mailbag. I had the absolute privilege to train under him as an amateur decades ago at the South Phila Boxing Club on Pasayunk Ave. Slim Jim Robinson had also set up shop there and the knowledge plus the stories were lessons I still remember today. I was able to spare with Jimmy 's son as well as a returning Frankie Mitchell plus the Mitchell twins. Jimmy & Slim were teaching the shoulder roll & cross armed defense decades before these kids thought Floyd and others invented it. He was a true Philly treasure. Switching topics to my all time favorite pressure fighter Jeff Fenech. How would you have seen a bout with him against Brian Mitchell playing out? I loved Mitchell almost as much as I did Fenech. One last fantasy bout matchup involving a Philly legend. Bennie Briscoe facing off against Dick Tiger. Who would you see having the edge. Russell Peltz told me he tried to make that bout towards the end of Tiger's career. Even then it would been a classic.
Bread’s Response: I train in the gym with two of Jimmy Arthur’s protégés. Pee Wee and Asim Beyah. So I’ve definitely heard some great stories about the legendary Jimmy Arthur.
You know Brian Mitchell is criminally underrated. He was a little bigger than Fenech. But Mitchell was troubled by lesser fighters than Fenech in his prime. It’s a hard call today because Fenech didn’t win a title at 130lbs. Tough call. Coin flip fight.
Bread’s Response: Not sure how competitive I expect it to be but I expect high drama. Beterbiev’s favorite shot is a short looping right hand to the side of the head. Smith’s best move is a catch and counter left hook countering a looping right hand. So one’s guys go to shot, is the other guy’s go to counter shot. The logical pick is Beterbiev by mid round stoppage. I would say between the 6th-9th rounds. But I also say he has a shaky moment and gets hurt or dropped before he ultimately wins.Hope you made money with this callrich mathews
Bread’s Response: Yeah I did. Beterbiev is one of the fighters who you feel comfortable betting your hard earned coins on.
All signs point to Beterbiev and Bivol fighting each other for the undisputed light heavyweight championship in 2024. What is your prediction for that fight? I’ll take Bivol by decision. I think he’s the best technical boxer in the world. I think he’s proven he can overcome adversity. I think he’s a proven performer in the biggest spotlight. But before I announce that pick to my friends and family, I would love to hear your prediction.
Bread’s Response: Bivol is looked at as a “better” boxer but Beterbiev was the better amateur….I think Beterbiev is used to dealing with that elite classy, in and out style that Bivol has. Again, Beterbiev was the better amateur. I think Beteriev’s jab can disrupt Bivol’s in and out feet.
Next we get down to the durability factor in the fight. Can Bivol take Beterbiev’s hammer fist? Bivol is undefeated and we haven’t seen him close to being stopped. But I’m going to guess that he won’t take Beterbiev smashing those bricks that he calls hands into him for 12 rounds. I’m comfortable believing that Beterbiev will figure out Bivol’s rhythm before Bivol will take Beterbiev’s punches.
However, Bivol definitely has a shot. The odds will be 50/50 and the “boxer” wins this fight 7 out of 10 times. But my eyes tell me Beterbiev boxes good enough to score enough points to keep it close and then sometime between 9-11, Beterbiev stops him to the body.
Assalaam alaykum Mr Edwards,
The power of Artur Beterbiev is a marvel. I don't know if I've ever seen a boxer with a bigger power disparity between him and his opponents. I still think that Naoya Inoue is the best puncher in boxing, but Beterbiev (obviously, in my opinion) has the most power. His destruction of Callum Smith was one of his most impressive performances and he does not seem to be aging in/during his fights. The most damage he's taken was from an illegal Marcus Browne headbutt. I know you've been high on Beterbiev but is he raising in your esteem? I'm beginning to think that Beterbiev's career might have the opposite late trajectory of Gennady Golovkin's. The boxers who have waited to age him out are still going to be in for the fight of their lives and, unless they're training by dropping rocks on their head and body, they won't be able to stand up to the pummeling in the ring. I could see a few scenarios with him at or near the top of many pound for pound lists when he hangs up his gloves.What's your impression of his win versus Smith? Before the fight, Eddie Hearn said that Dmitry Bivol would fight the winner, but if Mr Hearn can make the fight between Callum Smith and Beterbiev, he surely could have arranged a unification fight for Bivol if Dmitry wanted it enough... I know that Turki Alalshikh and Saudi Arabia will pay handsomely for that undisputed fight, but that was true last year. I sure hope it gets made.Peace, Breadman, I hope all is well with you and yours. Thank you again for everything you do for this great sport.
Salaams, John Newman
Bread’s Response: I’m very, very impressed with Beterbiev. I thought the Callum Smith fight was one of his career best performances. I hope they make the fight with Bivol. What’s on the line will be immortality at 175lbs. The winner WALKS into the HOF and is most likely an ATG in the division. I hope they get paid a handsome sum.
At this time I think Beterbiev is a top 10 P4P fighter. He’s usually in my top 10. And when I look at lightheavyweight historically, it’s the least celebrated division over lightweight. So it’s easier to crack the All Time ranks at 175 than it is say 135 or 147 or 160. I personally can’t think of 10 lightheavyweights that I would feel comfortable betting they can beat Beterbiev. So he’s very close to top 10 ATG in my opinion right now as he sits. If he were more active this wouldn’t even be a debate.
Everyone ages differently. Beterbiev is about 3 years younger than GGG. GGG also over double the pro fights. GGG also trained and slept in altitude for years. And from I research, training in altitude is fine but sleeping in it will deplete you over time……
After seeing Beterbiev and Bivol fight this past month. I think Artur breaks him down and this fight ends around 8 or 9. Bivol never really throws anything to discourage you and Lyndon should've never made it to the final round. I see this fight identical to Gvodzyk. I recall being shocked that Artur broke him down like that especially after seeing what he did to Stevenson. That was a really disappointing era of LWH that him and Kovalev never matched up. I read an article somewhere and the number of missed potential fights at 160-175 was ridiculous Roy- Collins/Darius M., Kovalev-Adonis. Ward- GGG/Bivol/Beterbiev, Charlo- Andrade/Jacobs, Hageler-McCallum. Again not blaming one specific fighter, but it was very disappointing and seems those weight classes have the most misses. If Artur wins I wanna see him move up and fight this Opateia kid. As of now who wins that fight? Also prime CW Usyk-Opateia. 175 Benavidez vs Beterbiev who wins? Was Dmitry Pirog was as good as they say he was , like GGG level good? Lastly would Floyd have struggled with any of prime Pacquiao opponents 08-09 Cotto, Clottey & Margarito circa 2010 or how about an 07-08 Mosley (I know he hadn't fought Manny yet)? Thanks Bread as always this may sound corny but this truly the highlight of Saturday. I've been reading mailbag for like 6 years since 2018 now so man idk about before then. PS when did you start doing the mailbag?
Bread’s Response: Thank you for following my mailbag. I’ve been doing it since late in 2009. Maybe November 2009, I can’t remember the exact date.
I also favor Beterbiev if he fights Bivol. It’s a great match up but I’m going with Beterbiev. He didn’t make it as far as he did as an amateur without knowing how to deal with a boxer.
Every match up is not going to get made. You can literally go to any era of boxing, pick a weight class and find elite notable fighters who didn’t fight. Let me explain with the match ups you used. Some were makeable fights, some weren’t. Each should be judged individually and not clumped together.
Roy Jones and Steve Collins was a good makeable fight. I have no idea why it didn’t happen but that’s a fight that should’ve happened. Collins defeated both Chris Eubank and Nogel Benn twice and was on a career best win streak. He was ripe and ready.
But Roy Jones and Darius Michalchewski would’ve been a big fight but I never once blamed Roy for that specific one. Michalchewski never wanted to leave his homeland. No American fighter in history as prominent as Jones, would’ve been forced to go to Germany in Jones’s position. Especially after what happened to him in the Olympics. That fight not being made was not on Roy in my opinion.
Kovalev vs Stevenson is a fight that should’ve happened. Again I don’t know what went wrong but Kovalev often fought top guys in their home towns. He had a few fights in Canada…..They were both champions at the same time in the same division. BIG MISS in a makeable fight.
I don’t give Andre Ward any flack for GGG, Bivol or Beterbiev. GGG was never in his division. So neither of them ducked one another. GGG was a MW and Ward was a SMW and LHWT. The only reason this became a thing was GGG’s team kept saying he would move up and fight anyone, which was a mistake because he didn’t move up until his prime was far gone. Bivol and Beterbiev were around when Ward retired. But when a fighter retires unless everyone in the division retires on the same day, there will always be someone who says he retired to duck smoke. It’s nonsense.
Ward didn’t retire and come back. He never came back. The man has a right to retire. It’s like saying Floyd Mayweather retired in 2015 because Errol Spence was emerging. It doesn’t make sense if you think about it.
Charlo vs Andrade and Jacobs should’ve happened. Those are big misses especially Charlo and Andrade. Jacobs took some tough smoke vs GGG and Canelo. He also made a big fight vs an undefeated Peter Quillin. So he took the challenges. But Charlo and Andrade were available for each other and it never happened.
Hagler and McCallum were never in the same division at the same time. The fight literally never had any momentum or buzz. By the time McCallum won his 1st title in 1984, Hagler was winding down taking big marketable fights. Hagler only fought 3x once 1985 came around. Hearns in a super fight. Mugabi who was his mandatory and had a huge following because of his 100% ko ratio and his nickname. And Ray Leonard in another super fight. There was never a practical time to fight McCallum although it would’ve been a great match up.
I don’t think Beterbiev has the qualities to move up 25lbs. He’s not super fast. He’s not dynamic. He’s like a Hagler, Monzon, Tszyu, Hamed and GGG. Moving up is not for everyone. So I don’t think Beterbiev will move up to 200lbs. If he does then we can discuss him vs Cruiserweights.
Right now I say Usyk over Opetai. I simply know more about Usyk.
Benavidez has said he wants to move up and fight at 175. So we can consider him at 175. I think Benavidez beats Bivol. But I don’t know about Beterbiev. Right now I’m going to give the edge to Beterbiev.
Pirog was NICE. He was super smooth, with good feet, good balance and a hard punch. But he didn’t get to the top level. So it’s too hard to tell. It’s one thing to project on upside but it’s another to see them do it. Pirog looked to be a good fight for GGG but GGG went after the fight and Pirog retired with a back injury. I’m not suggesting Pirog ducked him, if he was hurt that’s legit. But that’s just what happened. And because of the injury we didn’t get to see him against enough elite guys.
Floyd would’ve beaten Clottey pretty easy. You can’t just walk to Floyd with that high guard defense and not get your belly button jabbed through all night.
The Mosley that could have given Floyd a good fight was gone by 2002 after the Vernon Forest fights. So from 97-02 Mosley would have been formidable but not the late Mosley who faced Pacman.
Margarito is an interesting case. From 05-09 I thought Margarito’s workrate, size, chin and attitude would have been a real fight for Floyd. Similar to the Castillo and Maidana fights. But after Mosley and Pac, Margarito was ruined. Floyd would’ve picked him apart after 2009.
Cotto gave Floyd a very tough fight in 2012. And that was after wars with Margarito, Pac and Mosley. I think Cotto peaked out in 2007 with his wins over Mosley and Judah in the same year. Cotto didn’t have the wear and tear on him back then. His jab and underrated boxing ability would have been a test for Floyd, even more so than it was in 2012. But in fairness to Floyd, Cotto is 3 years younger and Floyd always displayed ability a level above Cotto. Floyd was an All Time Great fighter. While Cotto is a great fighter and a HOF.
Hey Bread much love as always,
I didn't really start watching boxing seriously until the end of Roy Jones reign at the top and then became a die hard during Floyd's PPV era. Am I out of bonds for saying that there wasn't alot of elite fighters who were both in the P4P convo or neat the top of their division fighting each other at the same time? Seems like their was a lull after RJJ beat Hopkins & Toney. Amongst all 3 fighters tbh it just seems like they could've made much better fights then then did from about 95'-01' before Hopkins fought Trinidad. Oh also Tyson hence why I never rate him top 5 because he has so many misses in the 90s its crazy. Again I'm not here to disrespect these legends, I'm just hoping you can provide context & information this was a little before I got into the sport so forgive me.
Bread’s Response: So you started watching boxing in 2004. That was when Roy lost to Tarver. So yes you’re out of bounds. There was lots of great fights since 2004 until the present too many to name. Roy’s big fight career was coming to an end. James Toney had issues at heavyweight with a positive test. But Bhop gave us plenty of big fights after 2004. De La Hoya, Tarver, Taylor, Wright, Calzaghe, Pascal, Dawson, Cloud, Kovalev…
From 95-01, Toney was in a lull. Toney was running hard in the earlier part of the 90s. When he was fighting Merqui Sosa, Michael Nunn, Reggie Johnson, Iran Barkley and Charles Williams. So you missed Toney’s peak was 91-94.
From 95-01, Jones fought McCallum, Griffin 2x, Hill, Johnson and Harding.
Hopkins won the title in 1995 and defended it consistently 2x/yr. Roy and Toney had long moved on from 160lbs. The division was a little dead but Hopkins fought the best available guys until he unified later. So I think you’re nitpicking slightly out of context.
As for Tyson, his decade was the 80s, not the 90s. He ran hard through every notable heavyweight of the 80s. He went to jail in 1991 and didn’t get out until 95. But before he went to jail he fought Razor Ruddock 2x which was hard work. Ruddock was a brutal puncher and real #1 threat.
Tyson also fought Holyfield twice and unified 2 belts in the 90s. But after the Holyfield rematch, Tyson was suspended for the bite incident and he only fought 2 more times in the 90s vs Frans Botha who he kod and Orlin Norris who he was about to ko and had a NC with.
So Tyson’s jail time and suspension took about 5 years away from his in the ring fighting. But let’s remember Bowe was done by 97 also. Moorer was around but not as relevant as Bowe. Tyson fought Lewis in the 2000s . Foreman was gone by 97. Tua and the young guys were just emerging. Morrison was a possibility but I think he tested + for HIV if I’m not mistaken.
I don’t rate Tyson as a top 5 heavyweight ever. I think he’s more top 10 or maybe top 12. But again the 90s weren’t really his decade. The 80s were his and he was probably the best heavyweight of the decade or at worst the 2nd best.
Hello Bread,
Just wanted to write in again and discuss a bit more about the beast Beterbiev's performance on the weekend. I still don't think he gets his dues but each time he fights I see subtle nuances against each new opponent. Those who just think he's just a relentless come forward pressure fighter are seriously missing the finer details that Artur possesses in abundance. Everything was setup his left jab and left hook to the body along with his overhand straight right that was landing at will and had Smith on tenterhooks from the opening bell. He has very quick nimble feet and his combination punching and angles he creates in the pocket have all his opponents in two minds from the opening bell. He's a very cerebral technician and he's near impossible to fend off because of his brute strength. I've read he's back in the gym 2 days after a fight doing 8 x 3 minute rounds with super heaver sledgehammers bashing tractor tires! He's an animal that has ZERO distractions outside of the ring. He dedicates his life to his family and boxing and religion which takes incredible dedication. No man is unbeatable but he may have a case being as tough to beat as any boxer that has ever lived I think he's that good. Someone who beats him will have to have an out of body experience to do it.
Sam from Australia
Bread’s Response: Beterbiev in my opinion is a great fighter. And one of the best light heavyweights I’ve ever seen. His combination of brute strength, precision punching, power punching, solid fundamentals and underrated defense make him one of the ten best fighters in the world in my opinion.
Beterbiev’s gift is he makes opponents fight at 100mph, while he’s staying right with them in cruise control at 60mph. Beterbiev is very efficient and purposeful and it’s why the opponents look so exhausted because they are trying their hardest to avoid him and he’s calmly catching them at will and it’s demoralizing.
They seem to wonder how he’s getting so much done but he doesn’t seem to be out of sorts to accomplish his goal. It’s the Jason Voorhees effect. You’re sprinting away from him. Jason's walking yet still covering ground and you know he’s going to rip you apart once he gets to you.
I agree it will take a lot to beat him if he’s in this current form. No one is unbeatable but a regular night at the office won’t suffice. It’s going to take a Superman type effort.
I just saw that Turki Alalshikh is following you on Twitter(X). You made it big dog! My questions to you is, do you know him? It will be cool if you could work with him in some way. Would you be ok with your fighters fighting in Saudi? I know you say that traveling is a major issue for fighters…..And did you see that he wants to make Haney vs Davis? Do you think he can pull it off and get it done?
Bread’s Response: I’m honored that Turki Alalshikh followed me. I also follow him.
No I’ve never had to pleasure of meeting him nor do I know him. But, I would love to work with him. He seems like a big boxing fan. It’s rare to find someone who loves the sport as much as I do.
Of course I would be ok with my fighters fighting in Saudi. We would just have to adjust to the climate, flights and food.
I saw he wanted to make Haney vs Tank. I hope he does pull it off. Let’s see what happens.
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